LIFETALK transcript from August edition of Life Dynamics
LIFETALK Series.
transcribed by David E. Dowd
Individuals speaking:
Mark Crutcher , President of Life Dynamics
Ed Zielinski, Atty. Gen Counsel of Life Dynamics
Jennifer Taylor, Sidewalk Counselor
Mark.......You have a real interesting aspect of the Child Predator case to
tell us about.
Jennifer... I sure do.
Mark........Jennifer, tell us what happened with you, you were at an abortion
mill in Dallas sidewalk counseling, tell us what happened...
Jennifer....Sure, I was outside in front of a mill.. and a woman came out to
have a cigarette. I didn’t actually see she and the girl enter the mill. She
said, "Good morning and I said, "Good morning" and we began to speak. She began
to tell me that a girl 14 years of age was inside the clinic but not only was
she there to have an abortion but she had 3 STDs and the onset of cervical
cancer. the STDs were full blown STDs. She told me she had to have the abortion
because she had these STDs and it wasn’t safe. I proceeded to try to help her
save the life of her grandchild. And I began to ask her if she knew that her
daughter is a minor and that she’s in this clinic and that the clinic needs to
talk to the daughter about the situation she is in..
Mark.......And also to report it to the authorities.
Jennifer...And most important, report it to the authorities. Later I was able
to obtain more information by a man who came out of the clinic, who later I
associated to be, what I believe to be the father of the girl. And from the
mother and the father of the girl, I ascertained the information that the girl
is 14, she was impregnated by an 18-year-old man and that she had these STDs. So
I asked the family in the clinic, has the clinic let you know.. first I asked if
they knew s a case of statutory rape, they said they did. I asked if the clinic
notified you that it was a case of statutory rape. They said, no they made no
indication of that. I asked, have they indicated they are going to report this
case. They said no, they made no indication of that, as well. So, I knew of your
project (Child Predators), and I also knew it is against the law in Texas for a
clinic to not report this and I also knew that I have a legal responsibility as
a civilian who comes across this to report this. So I didn’t know exactly how I
should report this, I’m on the sidewalk with a cell phone.
Mark.......Right
Jennifer....I called you and asked if it to call 911 and you instructed me
that it was and advised me to obtain as much information as I could about the
police officers. So I made a 911 call. The operator on 911 was not that
conducive to helping me, she indicated she didn’t believe the police could do
anything about it even though I reiterated that it was against the law. I had
knowledge of two crimes - one crime that had already happened, the statutory
rape.. and another possible crime in progress...i e the clinic not reporting it.
She said, could you please hold. she talked with her supervisor and came back
and said, "Again, I don’t think this is a matter for the Dallas Police. I don’t
think we can help you but we can, since you called, send an officer down to
speak with you. About 15-20 minutes later, two police officers came down to the
clinic, they approached me, there were two witnesses with me, two other sidewalk
counselors. They stayed less then 5 minutes, they never asked me my name, they
never took a report. I mean, I kept reiterating to them I wanted to file a
report, not only that, I wanted them to go into the mill and check on a 14 year
old girl and check to make sure the clinic was reporting it as by law they are
required to do. The police officer, there was a man and woman police officer.
The man spoke, the woman barely said anything other then telling me her name and
her badge number. The man did most of the speaking, I believe he was a sergeant.
He told me ... look this is not a matter for the Dallas police. Why are you
bothering us. I can’t do anything about this. I said, what do you mean you can’t
and I reiterated again.....
Mark..........the law...
Jennifer......right, the law. Even to the point I asked him, are you familiar
with the law...and of course, he didn’t appreciate me asking that. And so, he
left after less, again, about 3 minutes. He raised his hands like this and said,
"Look I am not going to argue with you. A crime is not happening here, today.
And I’m not going to get involved in this. Mark.........And so he just blew you
off...
Jennifer......Right, he didn’t take my name. Didn’t take a report or
anything.
Mark.........Then later that day, we had you come up and give us an affidavit
about this situation.
Jennifer......Correct.
Mark.........And that’s where we can bring Ed in on the deal. (Ed Zielinski,
Attorney and General Counsel of Life Dynamics)
Ed Zielinski…Well, what’s really interesting about all this is that we
suspected this kind of behavior has been going on for quite some time. There is
this unholy relationship between police departments and abortion clinics. In
fact, as a result of Jennifer’s affidavit....
Mark.........And the other two witnesses
Ed.............Right, and the other two witnesses, we prepared in this
particular case, as I am preparing this complaint and request for the internal
affairs of the Dallas Police department to look into this, we have two more
people come in from Dallas who have witnessed the same kind of behavior at
different times and locations and we have another case that has come in from out
of state... same kind of thing. What this boils down to is - police officers are
sworn to protect citizens. That is what their job is, that is they are supposed
to be doing. What we have here, is some kind of an arrangement, we don’t know
what, but some sort of an arrangement that obviously indicates that they will
not involve themselves with investigating a crime that is taking place in an
abortion clinic. If that little girl walks into that abortion clinic and says, I
don’t want you to touch me, then that is a sexual assault... and as you recall
from last year we had a case where a woman was in an abortion clinic who said
she didn’t want to be touched by the abortionist. When he did it they
investigated as a sexual assault... not until they had some tv coverage if you
remember, of course.
Mark ....... right
Ed............ What we’re looking at now, is not only state violations but
also federal violations as well. This girl is entitled to equal protection under
the law. That little 14 year old has every right to have a crime against her
investigated as well as anyone else does. The police officers are saying they
are not interested. In one instance, we have a sidewalk counselor who, at the
present time, was in the presence of police officers At the time that the
counseling was going on, there were police officers present. Those guys wouldn’t
even come up and look into this.
Mark...... (The officer said) that’s not what I’m here for.
Ed......... He comes over to them and says, officer, do you see this girl?
You know, real time situation.. the officer is on the scene. They tell him that
there is a 14 year old or a younger girl going into the clinic and the police
officer says, that's not what I’m here for...
Mark........I guess if he had witnessed an armed robbery, he would have just
let it go and said that’s not what I’m here for...
Ed...........If he was going into a 7-11 and looking to give a ticket for
illegal parking, he wouldn’t stop the armed robbery.
Mark........ One of the things I find interesting about this situation, Ed,
is if we report this to the Dallas Police or if Jennifer does…
Ed............Right
Mark.........They come out, they blow her off....now we have other people
call in, they have the exact situation....
Ed.............Its the same routine, every time.
Mark.......... But interesting here, is that, I mean what’s interesting here,
is that a couple of days after this incident, two sidewalk counselors show up at
that mill and three Dallas Police cars show up to watch those two sidewalk
counselors.
Ed............... that’s right
Jennifer.......I was there that day.
Ed..........Jennifer was there...I went out there to investigate this and get
some more information and Jennifer needed to look at some documents and while
I’m there, there are three patrol cars there, you know 5 or 6 police officers
because we got two girls with rosarys out in front of the clinic.
Jennifer.......they stayed for four hours... waiting for us, one of us to
make a wrong step but when I called to ask for help... they wouldn’t stay five
minutes with me.
Mark.......but the interesting thing is when you started taking pictures,
they split...they scattered.
Ed..........I guess it must have been you know lunch time or something.
Mark.......I think the point we want to make to the audience. We’re going to
pursue this hot and heavy. This is going on all over the country. It is not just
the Dallas Police. We’re hearing reports from other states, now, as well.
Because people are starting to report these. Sidewalk counselors are (reporting
this).
Ed...........If this happened one time, it is reprehensible. but if its
happening as much as it is, then this is criminal. This is an act of criminal
concert.
Mark........What about off duty cops who are acting as security at abortion
mills?
Jennifer.....Right
Ed............They have the same obligation, Mark. they never stop being a
cop.
Jennifer......Right
Mark.........And they are sitting there in the waiting room of these places
or going in and out...and they are seeing these girls who are underage and they
are just ignoring it.
Jennifer......Right
Ed............In fact, in Texas we have a statute, and other states have
similar statutes... that the failure to intervene when you know there is an
aggravated sexual assault going on is a crime in itself.
Mark........And you found a federal statute on that as well
Ed...........The federal statute is a conspiracy against civil rights. What
you have is if these police officers and police departments acting at the
direction of the city are saying don’t get involved in these cases, then they
are violating that girl’s right to equal protection, so we have a federal case.
Jennifer......Another important thing we shouldn’t fail to mention, we also
called Child Protection Services, essentially gave me the same story.
Ed............And told her to call the police
Jennifer.....And eventually told me to call the police... but at first they
told me there was nothing I could do... Until I pressed them and said, "Look,
you are telling me I have knowledge of a crime, statutory rape, and there is
nothing I can do about it?" And finally she admitted me I should call the
police. But we have an instance of their...so we have four sets of people, the
parents, the police, the clinic and the Child Protective Services who are not
going to help that child. Who is going to help her?
Mark..........We’ve got to go to the mat…
Ed...........the real crisis here is the girl is an ongoing criminal
relationship with the guy. We have broken down that we ought to ask to respond
to this... The Police Department, the Internal Affairs Division, The City of
Dallas, the Office of the District Attorney for Dallas County, Federal Bureau of
Investigation, Attorney General Office, Child Protective Services,
Representatives in the City, State Representatives as well as US Congresspeople
and US Senators.
Mark........ this has to be a beach head...
Ed...........they all need to know.
Mark........If we don’t do this, these clinics are just going to continue to
do this.
Ed...........And Mark, every counselor who is out there on the sidewalks has
to act to this. They have to get active in reporting this to the police and
reporting it when the police don’t act.
Mark.........Please make certain you have videotape rolling and audiotape
rolling. The video and audio provide proof to the crime, but they also protect
you. Because they will try to lie their way out but with videotape, everybody
plays honest injun....
Ed............Look what has happen to videotape of police officers in the
press.
Jennifer.... make sure you get all the information you get the police
officer’s name, the badge number, the car number, the time of day, and just
document as much information as you can. for example in my case, I was not able
to get the name of the girl or the parents but I was able to get the license
number of the vehicle they were driving. Because most times, they come out to
check the parking of the vehicle they are driving because there is a limited
parking time...
Ed...........When they conduct the investigation, they’ll find about what the
name of the girl and the parents are...you did exactly the right thing... You
gave them everything they needed to be able to walk in the doors of that clinic
and ask those questions and find those answers and they refused to do it. And
that’s what we’re going to prove.
Mark.......Jennifer, thank you very much for everything you did. Thank you
for calling us.
Jennifer.....I’m just glad I could help and certainly will pray for your
efforts.
Mark.........Well, if you are out there in front of the mill, you need to do
the same thing Jennifer did. If you see girls that look like they are under age
of consent... call the police. Start a diary right then and there. record
everything that happens.... stating, this is what happened at this minute. this
is what happened at that minute, here is who I talked to...Be certain the video
and audio tape are rolling. Get every piece of information you can... and call
us because we want to start a data base stating this is happening... and it is
happening nationally. Also if you can help us out in the school districts get
ahold of Father Pavone and follow up on
the Child Protection Project.