Talk of Joan Andrews, given at Meet the Abortion Providers, Sponsored by the Pro-life Action League, Chicago
Thank you very much. It's really a great honor to be here. It's always such a blessing
to be with Joe and Ann and the wonderful activists here in Chicago. Of course, I think
every community claims Joe; even though he hails from Chicago, he's the one who goes
around and started the activist movement all over this country and around the world. So it
certainly is a pleasure and deep honor for me to be here with all of you.
I know so many of you have been involved in the Right-to-Life Movement for years and
years, longer than I have. Many of you are involved in the rescues that are going on now
and that's just a great blessing. I think it ties in well with what we have heard today.
What we have heard is our brothers and sisters who were abortionists and worked for
abortionists, who have come out from that heinous evil and are now defending the babies.
That's something so powerful to us and shows us that Jesus was right when He told us that
our brothers and sisters are all lovable, every one of them, because they are of Him, of
God. They are children of God and we should have been loving them all along. If we
haven't, then the ones who spoke here today can teach us how to love the ones who are
still doing abortions. It makes it easy to love the abortionists who are actually doing
the killing today when we see the ones who used to do abortions, and who are such
wonderful, lovable, godly people, so full of concern for the little babies, so full of
sacrifice for the little babies.
There is a great deal of suffering that goes on with abortion. First and primary is the
suffering of the heart of God. He is so grieved about this. I think what grieves Him the
most, despite the horrendous pain and evil of the killing of the little babies themselves,
is that His people or people who claim His name, people who call themselves Christians or
Jews who are bound to the covenant of the Lord God, are doing nothing to stop this
killing. So many, many Christians and good Jews who consider themselves people of good
will and godly people are not listening to the voice of God who is calling out in the
night: Come save the little babies. Step forward and stop this holocaust.
The hardness of heart is certainly not only with the abortionists. Probably a much deeper
hardness of heart is with those who are practicing Christians and people of good will in
any religion who consider themselves believers in God and believers in goodness, who are
just ignoring this holocaust. When they are confronted with it, they just kind of make all
kinds of excuses and rationalize. I understand that because I did the same thing myself in
different ways.
God gave me the grace of having been raised by a good Christian family, a good Catholic
Christian family, so I knew right from the time I was a little kid what was right and what
was wrong. We all have a conscience. God gives us all a conscience and deep in our heart
we do know right from wrong, but it sure helps to have good parents to spell things out
because the devil is always tempting us to not listen to our conscience and to make
excuses and to rationalize. When we have good parents there helping to lead us, and good
church leaders... I was a Catholic at a time when all priests preached the same thing
about every evil. There was no such thing as one priest telling you one thing and another
priest telling you another thing. They all told you adultery was wrong. They all told you
that divorce was wrong. They all told you that abortion was wrong. And there was a heinous
evil--all of those things.
Nowadays, there is a lot of confusion in the church, and that's just the devil. The smoke
of Satan is in the Church, not just the Catholic Church but all the churches. That's why
the main Protestant denominations have all come out in support of abortion. That's not the
true church. That's not God's people speaking. Even as messed-up as so many Catholics are
these days, the teaching of the church is consistent, as it has been throughout the
centuries, condemning abortion and all the evils. There is a faithful remnant in the
church holding it together. That's true in every church, not just the Catholic Church.
There's a faithful remnant.
But these people are the ones God is asking to sacrifice much because they have been
greatly blessed. They have had graces beyond those the others have had. The Lord tells us
in Scripture that we are judged by what we know, and once we know something, then there
are no excuses.
I remember a passage where Jesus spoke, and He said that now the heavy weight is on you
because now you know, and there is no excuse. You can't say you didn't know.
We, of course, in this room do know. We are doing something about it, thank God. God bless
you for it. But there are many, many other fellow Christians and people of good will out
there who are not doing anything about it, and they do know. But we are pricking that
conscience of theirs by being out there in the death camps, by blocking the killing. The
more we are out there, a visible sign of God's love in the world and His truths, the more
those other Christians and other people of good will who do acknowledge that abortion is
evil and do proclaim that they are against abortion and do commit themselves to the Lord
and make a public pronouncement of their commitment to the Lord, are going to be very,
very uneasy. And they're squirming, and that's great!
Let's look deeper into this. The whole reason this abortion holocaust has gone on as long
as it has and has devoured our whole society the way it has and has gone right into
infanticide and euthanasia and fetal experimentation and pornography--its tentacles reach
all of us, into our families, the whole of society and Satan has come into the church--is
because those who knew better and who proclaim the name of the Lord have done nothing, or
have done very, very little. I think the bottom line is that we were not willing to
sacrifice and suffer, and even die for the Lord, the Truth, goodness, for love. Love is
God. They haven't been willing until now, and I really think we are willing now. I think
this past year, more than any other time in the history of the Pro- Life Movement, the
history of the church in this country, we are willing to suffer, and suffering will come.
But right now, if we continue to grow as we are, the suffering won't be as great, but we
aren't even concerned about that. I believe that truly, that we are not really concerned
about that.
What we really are concerned about is doing God's will, and if it means suffering, we'll
embrace that suffering and count ourselves blessed, deeply blessed for the privilege of
suffering just a little bit for the Lord. I don't care how great the suffering is, if it's
only just a little bit, it will never be what the babies have suffered because they're so
young and defenseless. Even if we were ripped apart ourselves, we have lived a life on
this earth, we will never experience the rejection they have experienced. Primarily, the
rejection at our own hands and those who are like us, who proclaim the name of the Lord.
If it weren't for such a good God we could never make up for that, none of us could. I
consider myself far more guilty than any abortionist. Because I knew better. I knew all
along how bad it was, and I was just so weak and scared, even though I knew the Lord would
give me enough strength to do what He asked of me. I knew that all my life. Even though I
knew that, I kept centering my focus on myself and so, so often failing to respond to His
grace and to His beckoning.
In 1973 1 came to Chicago to try to disarm murder weapons, and, of course, if I knew Joe
Scheidler was here I would have gone ahead and done it. But I didn't know that, so I
chickened out and went back home. So I did little things, but I knew deep in my heart that
I was not doing what God was calling me to do.
But about seven years later I started going right to the death camps and blocking the
killing. That's what I knew God was asking of me, in charity toward these little babies.
But just as much, and even in a way more importantly, acting in charity and love, and by
example for my dear brothers and sisters who were abortionists who needed that example,
and needed my love, and needed to see the gentleness of God, the forgiveness of God, and
the goodness of God, the holiness of God through my life, through my example.
I'm still failing God miserably by not being the example I should be, but I'm trying, and
the Lord is blessing me. He is blessing everyone in this room. Here we are, listening to
our brothers and sisters who once were caught up in that evil because of our failure and
the attacks of Satan. With that combination they fell into this atrocious evil. But we're
here, listening to them, and learning from them, and we'll be able to go out in love to
the many, many brothers and sisters in our society and in the world who are continuing in
this evil and destroying their own souls.
I had a problem dealing with people who responded to the devil's temptation to murder the
innocent. When I was a little kid I read a lot about the Nazi Holocaust in Germany, and
even though it was over by the time I was born, I still could not get rid of the
oppression of what happened just a few years before my time. I couldn't get over it
because it was such recent history, for one thing. And it was in a civilized society and
it was allowed to be done by Christians. The vast majority of the population was
Christian, even though many good Christians stepped forward and rescued the Jews, and it
was the Evangelicals and the Catholics and a few others who were rescuing the Jews and the
other so-called outcasts of Germany and then all of Western Europe. They still were a
minority doing it, and I knew as a kid that mass murder could not take place in any
society without that society turning its back on the killing and allowing it to take
place. Even a kid knows that, because you realize that there are a lot of people in the
world and not that many government officials. The masses of the people can stop whatever
evil is going on, and if the masses of the people happen to be Christian, and there are
lots of churches around--you see people always going to church, and you read that in
Germany everybody was going to church--you realize that people have failed, they have
failed their God. And they were calling themselves Christians. So that really bothered me.
I had a deep anger and great confusion about why Christians allowed that to happen. But I
had even a deeper anger about the Nazis who actually did the killing and the guards at the
extermination camps. The way I came to deal with that was just through prayer. I went one
year to college and when I was there I finally came to terms with that and God just
flooded me with grace. Always, I envisioned myself at a death camp, and I viewed the Jews
with the yellow stars on them and the tattoos on their arms, starving and skinny, just
skin and bones like the little babies when we see their bodies piled up. I saw them in
humble prayer. Then I saw the Nazi guards, and all of a sudden I was just overwhelmed with
pity and tenderness for the guards. And I thought, gee whiz, who deserves my pity more?
Who needs my prayers more? The Jewish victims who are on their way to Heaven, who are good
and innocent, or those who are murdering them? I Just felt such pity. Whose shoes would I
rather be in? I certainly would rather be in the shoes of the victims than the shoes of
those who were doing the persecuting. So I really felt a great tenderness and a
forgiveness in my own heart for them. I prayed with love in my heart for them.
So then when the abortion holocaust came, when I was 25 years old, I was overwhelmed by
shock. My first anger was at the church because it was silent. I certainly didn't see
everybody out in the streets, an uprising of the churches. I didn't see that, and that was
a shock. The silence was a shock. Then knowing that individual mothers and fathers were
taking their little babies in to be killed, and that there were people out there,
abortionists willing and wanting to do the killing.
Then all of a sudden, through prayer again, I realized that these people needed my example
and that they were victims of a Christian community in my country now, in America, that
was being silent. Had the church stood up and said, no way are you going to kill little
babies, if it were pronounced from every pulpit and people were told to not just pray, but
prayer and action, and get out there and stop the killing, it wouldn't happen.
What struck me today was that both doctors said that it wasn't that they wanted to do
abortions; it wasn't that they were overwhelmed with this evil glee, let's kill all these
babies! It wasn't that they were shocked when they first saw what was happening, the
little arms and legs, and that little human beings were being torn apart. It was that they
had no commitment to anything. And they really had no one to take them aside and be a
friend, and say, listen, please. You don't want to do that, you don't have to be involved
in this. These are little babies. But they didn't have anyone doing that.
So that's what's needed. We need to be out there for them. We have to be there in
gentleness and in love, but in firmness. Like a parent with a child, if your child is
going to do something horrendous like take a brick and throw it through your neighbor's
window, or beat up an old lady, or beat up another kid, you don't ignore it, nor do you
scream abusive things at your child. That's not going to teach a child. That's not going
to turn his heart. Kids can be really kind of mean sometimes. I remember hearing some
stories recently about some kids who were picking on an elderly person who lived alone and
maybe had some ways that weren't quite similar to the way most people behave. So they were
tormenting this poor fellow. But the mother of one of the kids who was doing it just said,
you know, I wonder how you'd feel if one day your dad and I got a little feeble in our old
age, and how would you feel if some kids your age came and tormented us? The boy never
answered to anything, but that night he took his dinner to the neighbor and apologized for
the broken window.
That's what example is. A gentle word. That mother didn't take him by the ear and pull him
in the bedroom and give him a slapping. I think we have to approach our brother and sister
abortionists in gentleness and love and forgiveness, but in firmness. We've got to block
the killing. We've got to be there. And they have to see the humanity of the babies
through us. The only way they are going to see the humanity of the babies through us is to
see such love in our hearts, not only for them, but for these little babies that we can
get beat up, kicked, screamed at, and treated in the foulest way, but we will remain
gentle and loving. But we will not remove ourselves from the door, blocking the killing at
the death camps.
When there are hundreds of thousands of us doing it, their hearts will be converted. I
think one of us doing it, a lone rescuer might convert somebody. But eventually this whole
nation will be converted when we are all out there blocking the killing. Of course, the
other work has to go on--the legislative, the alternatives, the education. But none of
that is going to ring true unless we put actions behind our words and be there for the
individual babies dying each day in our community.
If we're going to save the babies ten years from now, pass a law and get baby protection
on the books ten years from now we're going to have to ignore the babies dying in our
community right now. But we will start working now and we will work every day. It's
illegal to be out there to protect them. But that illegal is not legitimate because one
cannot really legalize murder. We all know that. That's why judges and police officers and
other individual public officials in Nazi Germany who went along with that killing, which
was legal in that country and it was a duly elected government, they were prosecuted and
some were executed because you cannot legalize murder. That's why those of us who go out
there and block the killing in this country--we are enforcing the legitimate law. But we
have to be that example.
We have to be that example for all the reasons I just said. When I was at college that one
year, I read a poem that was written by an inmate at the Nazi extermination camp, and what
he said was that the Nazis came and arrested them in the spring of the year, and they
rounded up all the Jews in the neighborhood and threw them in the back of trucks. He could
remember looking out to try to catch the eye of one of his neighbors to see if they were
concerned and were going to try and help them. But he said that the neighbors all looked
away and would not even look at them, and how much that hurt. Then he goes on to describe
the details of what happened after that: being processed, being tattooed, about the
children and how they felt separated from their parents, and being sent to the labor camps
first, and those who were sent to the extermination camp. Then it came to the end where he
was ready to be exterminated and the days had grown short for him now. He looked back over
everything and said, you know, it wasn't the executioners who were our real enemy because
they really couldn't that much to us. All they could do was destroy our bodies. But the
ones who really hurt us the most were our friends because they had the power to break our
spirits, and they did that when they turned away from us.
So we are Christians and we have to be examples and, by our example, get the masses of
Christians out there in our society. There are churches practically on every corner. These
people are proclaiming the name of Jesus and there are crosses on top of the churches and
there are crosses on top of some of the killing centers, like your Lutheran abortion
hospital here. I think it's great when you people said that they are either going to take
Lutheran out of the name or the cross off that roof. You have to stop the killing one way
or another. If they keep the killing going, they're not going to pretend that place is a
Christian hospital or that this is a Christian society. You can't have it both ways. We're
not a Christian society if we are doing that. And this is and can be a Christian society
if we live out God's will and do not allow this evil to exist because all are contaminated
by it.
So there are masses of Christians out there; those people who call themselves Christians.
Especially those who already at this point say they are against abortion but are doing
nothing. We have to affect them, and we will affect them by our willingness to sacrifice
and to suffer and to remain faithful. That means gentle and charitable and not fighting
among ourselves. Even if we disagree with someone, try to convince them of our point of
view if we think it's right. If they aren't going to be convinced, then just let them be
and we do what we feel is right. But not to incriminate. That's how the devil gets to us.
And he gets to us many ways because he's a mighty power. But God's power is greater.
I see the mass of Christians in our society the same as the mass of Christians in Nazi
Germany. There was a remnant, a few people who were rescuing the Jews and others who were
victims in Nazi Germany and Europe. It's the same in our country. There's a few of us
doing it now, but we have to be able to influence the others and the way we're going to be
able to influence them is by becoming more and more sacrificial. More and more
Christ-like.
And when that happens, we will be able to first convert our brothers and sisters who
proclaim the name of Jesus, or proclaim the name of God, that they are people of good
will, good Jews and others. Then after that, God will be able to convert through us, the
hard core people who are now pro-abortion.
I've been hearing about a lady in Atlanta after the October 4th rescue which was so
brutal, and they were loading up people for the next day for more rescues, and this
elderly lady came up to the priest who had also been arrested the day before, and she told
him, I'm scared, but I know I have to do it. She got on the bus. That's the type of
courage and goodness and gentleness through whom God can work the power of conversion in
the hearts of this nation. So it will happen.
There is a movie out called Houston Proud that I think is a powerful tool. When I got out
of prison we showed it to the press in Pittsburgh. They didn't want to see it, and they
refused at first, and then we said, if you want to interview with us, you have to first
watch the film, so they stayed. You could see they were visibly moved. Those are things
that we can do to make sure that people see this. Maybe they'll never write a word about
it, but I know it touched their hearts. You could see it in their eyes, the way they would
look away and then have to look back. You could tell. So maybe some hearts were moved that
day.
A final thing I want to say is what came to mind. I'm a Catholic and they refused to allow
me to attend the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass while I was in prison. One of the things as I
sat there in my cell day after day and week after week, and then a couple of years went
by, was that I felt very lonely. One of the impressions of prison is that you're very,
very lonely. I just wanted to hug somebody. I pictured in my mind hugging my nieces and
nephews often. I just had to picture it in my mind because it became such a craving. It
really hurts. And suddenly I began to realize that Jesus (I'm talking to the Catholics
now), in the real Presence in the Blessed Sacrament, so lonely. No one goes by to visit
Him. Not only year after year, but century after century. He stays there because He loves
us so much. I was taught something about real love. Being there for someone, even if they
ignore you.
How many felt ignored at an abortion mill? Especially when other Pro-Lifers never came
out, when you feel that many of your churches have turned their back on you. You don't
ever see a collar out there or a habit. You feel all alone. You're the only one out there
day after day, week after week, year after year. You get lonely. Well, think of the Lord
Jesus and He can give you the strength to continue, even if you're the only one.
I often say that this rescue movement is thrilling. It's taken off. It's really powerful.
But I wonder if it were to die in its tracks tomorrow, would you still be out there? I
think you would. Even if you were the only one left in this nation, ,and everyone else had
been exterminated, you'd be out there because your Jesus is faithful to us, no matter
what. Even when we are totally unfaithful to Him, He's our example.
God bless you.

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